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Some in game issues.
Topic Started: Jan 26 2013, 04:33 AM (445 Views)
Lance22
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Maybe I just don't know swords, but I can max about 5 passives, and every slash takes 1%-2%? i think 7% is critical? I don't see samurai sit there charge their weapon for it to do extreme damage. Now it could be an option of course, but 5% a slash wouldn't be so bad to add in. Also. ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO RAISE KENJUTSU KNOWLEDGE. It was already hard enough, why is it harder?

Fuuton, Now of course we all know the "3 second invisibility rule" is never going to matter, so don't even pay attention to it. My problem is, not being able to shunshin out of a fuuton move, because the suction+wall im on. But maybe its just me?

Katon is extremley weak. I sat in a BF users Goukakyuu for 6 seconds and had a little less than half of my vit left.

Raiton, Drain is ridiculous.

Byakugan Sense+Sensory Jutsu. Idk about Byakugan sense, but I know that the drain on sensory jutsu is ridiculous. Not only do i have to turn it on to be able to sense, but i have to press z+c to activate the radar. Turning on the radar isn't the main issue though, the fact that the Z in the z+c combination, is draining my chakra resevoir at the same time (as it does with Byakugan Sense)
So not only am i getting my chakra raped by the drain, but im also getting my resevoir drained. Why not have Sensory work like a dojutsu? Or automatically be developed in your character (like genjutsu kai) Upon learning, and just press Q (or w/e) to pop up the radar?

Add Illuminate back to Dojutsus?

Has anybody noticed that the game is almost pushing towards people to a balanced build?

-No phy you have low stam and can't break out of a nara bind.
No con- makes your jutsus take more chakra, as well as you being an auto victim of anybody (majority of the community now) using genjutsu.
No cap- means your chakra is fairly low, as well as your damage with ninjutsu moves.

Just plenty of ways to get screwed over. Discuss?
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Hussein Oda
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Lance22
Jan 26 2013, 04:33 AM
Has anybody noticed that the game is almost pushing towards people to a balanced build?

-No phy you have low stam and can't break out of a nara bind.
No con- makes your jutsus take more chakra, as well as you being an auto victim of anybody (majority of the community now) using genjutsu.
No cap- means your chakra is fairly low, as well as your damage with ninjutsu moves.

Just plenty of ways to get screwed over. Discuss?
In my opinion, I think it's more like a buff to balanced builds. Now it makes sense. If you have high phy, your tai will hit hard, but don't expect to use ninjutsu/ genjutsu easily, and vice versa. You're supposed to be sorta screwed over with pure builds. They're high risk, high reward builds (except Phy I guess, but Fallen has made that point a few times already).
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Bf katon is still strong...i was getting hit for 100+ vit in bf....
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Tozen
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Well you don't need phy or cap if don't want them. Everyone has a 2.5k stamina min now and with max phy they can only get to 4k so the difference between someone with 5 phy and 40phy is only 1.5k so you go phy for the damage you want to do not the stamina.
Same is with chakra just number is slightly higher like 2k difference.
So cap and phy is not needed for chakra or stamina just the damage you want you do.

Con on the other had is needed for everything and this also boost your phy and chakra, this also giving more reason there is no need not for the stat that is useless to you, that stat being cap if don't use nin and phy if don't use tai.

So game isn't going towards balance builds it better to say going towards cap and con builds since elements jutsu have a cap require on mores and there's a ton of moves that require con.

Since there's no way to avoid using con since it lowers chakra drain on ninjutsu and lowers stamina and calorie drain on taijutsu.

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Lance22
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I don't think Chakra Sense should have a *turn on* mode since it drains 3% chakra a tick. It should be like genjutsu kai and gates; learn it and have it in your arsenal (not skill card) and press a button(s) to use it. idk any other moves that require me to press Z+C. Sensory ninjas don't say "Oh let me active sense jutsu, not let me start sensing" They just sense.

If you don't like that idea, how about we keep the turn on mode, but it doesn't take chakra until we actually use Z+C.

Don't like that one? Nerf the drain to have the same minimum as the other dojutsu.
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Takashi
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More jutsus need to have damage based more on control. I know Katon is like capacity/control damage based now. Control being the burn rate and capacity being the impact damage and burn damage. I hear raiton was capacity/control damage based as well.
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Raikiri Iketani
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Raiton's stun is affected by control from what I remember...I THINK that's what Argon did.
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Fal
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5% vitality damage you say. That requires you to hit your opponent 20 times with a sword to KO them. Now a sword is swung 2-4 times per second once the swift and slash are maxed. That's 10% per second. 10 seconds to KO someone going at them.

Now you get up from a KO. You have lets say 60% vitality. It would only require six seconds of slashing to KO someone.

That's too much in my opinion. My Yot had 5 slash strength and did 4%, and everyone said that was too much. That was me not using tier 1 for speed or a stun tier 2.

As for the character builds.
This probably explains that.

Now for katon. Six seconds to do little over half or your vitality is weak to you? It's not hard to hit someone with katon. It's katon. AOE. If six seconds take half your vitality, then it only takes around 10 to KO you, 6 to KO you if you were already KO'd.



Edit. Just read Tozen's post. So if stamina is maxed at 4.5k or at least near it, then that problem is finally solved. But the issue still remains that we have to wait 180 hours to be "complete" and overall balanced.
Edited by Fal, Feb 1 2013, 02:24 AM.
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People making claims and complaints without doing their research yet again...

When will people actually think before posting and bitching? Or perhaps doing some testing instead of acting on misguided preconceptions. But oh I know what I'll hear.

"How was I supposed to know starting chakra and stamina was changed? No one told me. Its not like it was in the update log- oh wait it is.. But I didn't read it. I just didn't notice there was a change because I like to piss and moan because it makes my ass rattle."
"It used to be the way I said it was, I just assumed it hadn't changed so I posted without thinking because I'm a dumb ass."
There is no intelligent discussion to be had here with the way this topic has been started off. If you wish to continue, you may, but these problems need to be more carefully looked at, and then presented with a reasonable solution rather than just complained about with no constructive criticism.

You can't just say "Ok, here's the problem I'M having. Now community, fix it for me."
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Fal
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Here is your logic Argon. You are saying ignorance is a sin.
"-Formula for Starting Stamina and Chakra Changed"

This is what the update states. That clears nothing up. If you don't want others to be ignorant about it, then tell them the actual change. Nobody right minded is going to go out of their way to test an entire build to check the stamina. That will take, like I said, 180 hours to do so.

"-Formula for Starting Stamina and Chakra Changed"
This also says "starting." Nowhere does it say a number. How it was changed. How the starting will affect the end results.


I have no idea what you were even directing your posting at. Do you want him to test Fuuton? Do you want him to test Katon? Do you want him to test swords? These would take hours upon hours to finally get the numbers for one down.

Seriously how long does it take to train swords? I have no idea. Look at that, I'm ignorant about something. This is considered a sin to Argon. Let me just go waste away my life on the game that takes too long to train so that Argon doesn't get upset when I talk about something I don't know.


He stated what problems "HE" is having. What do you do? You call him a mentally retarded dumb fuck. He is having these problems, which means he has undergone experience in these problems. Which is as close to testing as you can possibly get.

Hell, he even gave you numbers. "I slash 1-2% a 7%" critical. He gave his opinion on it to be changed. Which is just an opinion.

Yes, these numbers can be wrong. But how do we know? We aren't told anything. You think we magically assume ninjustu knowledge boosts this SAND CLAN move? Why the hell would that what. How are we. Just what the fuck. How are we supposed to know impenetrable blocks Nara shadow? Two completely different concepts put together. This is NFF. You are the one that says "Hey guys, lets be user fucking friendly and break the game so the newbies can feel safe at night even though you all went through the struggles to learn and made it out just fine." Yet you go out of your way to actually flame someone that is here stating the problems they are currently having, through the troubles they have already faced.

Instead of going "Hey, you're fucking stupid." You can go "Hey, you're fucking dumb, but here is how this works."
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Feb 1 2013, 02:23 AM
5% vitality damage you say. That requires you to hit your opponent 20 times with a sword to KO them. Now a sword is swung 2-4 times per second once the swift and slash are maxed. That's 10% per second. 10 seconds to KO someone going at them.

Now you get up from a KO. You have lets say 60% vitality. It would only require six seconds of slashing to KO someone.
Scalpels do 7% per hit with 13 con, 14% an "A" tap with DS. Don't know if they have a cap or something, they're supposedly based on con. Could only imagine a Kurama with it now. Knuckle Knives/Melee Kunai do 5% per hit and I know Knives does 11% with enhance. Weapons don't get the 100% DS factor like Scalpels but it's still close so OP shit like that is already in game.
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Then instead of buff something that is indeed good, why not nerf the ones you call "op"?
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Feb 1 2013, 03:39 AM
Then instead of buff something that is indeed good, why not nerf the ones you call "op"?
Well, with so much OP shit in game, easier to buff the weak ass shit than nerf the OP shit sadly.

Everything being OP = Balance.
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Aren't you the one who sarcastically made a topic about "Old NFF." Everything being OP was old NFF. It seems you're starting to miss it.
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Feb 1 2013, 03:43 AM
Aren't you the one who sarcastically made a topic about "Old NFF." Everything being OP was old NFF. It seems you're starting to miss it.
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